Endurance State of Mind
Endurance State of Mind is your go-to podcast for all things endurance—from the long miles to the mental grind. Hosted by Zach Vogt and Anthony Herrington, two everyday athletes with an obsession for pushing limits, this show dives into the training, mindset, and lifestyle of endurance sports. Each episode brings candid conversations, local race highlights (especially in Mississippi), interviews with inspiring guests, and plenty of laughs along the way. Whether you’re chasing a PR or just trying to survive your next long run, this podcast will keep you motivated, informed, and connected to the endurance community.
Endurance State of Mind
Episode 53: The Jamie Stevison Story: What does it really take to stay consistent when life gets busy?
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In this episode of Endurance State of Mind, we sit down with Mississippi endurance athlete Jamie Stevison, a runner who has quickly built a reputation for doing what most people won’t—waking up at 2 a.m. to train before work, putting in double-digit miles daily, and showing up no matter what.
Jamie’s journey into endurance sports didn’t start with a lifelong passion for running. It started during one of the hardest seasons of his life. After going through a divorce, he turned to running as an outlet—and what began as a way to cope quickly turned into something much bigger.
In just a short period of time, Jamie went from running his first miles on a treadmill to competing across multiple distances including 5Ks, half marathons, marathons, and 50Ks. Along the way, he dropped over 40 pounds, ran a sub-3-hour marathon, and even won his first ultra race.
But this episode isn’t just about results—it’s about discipline.
We dive deep into:
• How Jamie structures his life around consistency
• Why he wakes up at 2–3 a.m. to train
• The mindset shift from motivation to discipline
• Lessons learned from early race mistakes, including hitting the wall in his first marathon
• How he balances work, marriage, and high-level training
• His transition from road racing into the ultra world
• Why “I don’t have time” is the most common excuse—and how to overcome it
Jamie also shares his future goals, including stepping into longer distances like 50 miles and 100-mile races, and preparing for the Boston Marathon.
If you’ve ever struggled with staying consistent, finding time to train, or pushing past your limits, this episode will challenge you to rethink what’s possible.
Because at the end of the day, endurance isn’t just about how far you can go—it’s about how often you’re willing to show up.
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SPEAKER_05Alright, everybody. Um, this is another early recap prior to us having Jamie Stevenson on. Um awesome podcast you're about to listen to. Dude is an animal when it comes to early mornings and late night. Actually, not late night. I can't even say late nights. Well, maybe it is. I don't know. Strava doesn't know the difference, so nor do we. For those of you that want to listen and are will listen to the episode, Jamie wakes up at about two o'clock every single morning because he works at I think he starts work at about 4 45 and he has a 45-minute commute to work. So the dude has to go out and do 2 a.m. runs on a daily basis, pretty much. What'd you think about the what'd you think about the interview?
SPEAKER_03I absolutely loved it, man. I um just for the sake of like people make excuses all the time for everything, and I kind of like ad nauseum tried to unpack that and how he makes it happen and no excuses, and it's awesome. Um, so pay attention for that in this episode. It's really cool, like how he makes it happen.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I think so. It's it's also cool to see like the dude went through something extremely serious, like a lot of people, and and instead of like I we all find different habits whenever something like that happens, and I think you and I have also done it, and it goes to talk just like in our stories when we've talked about it, but like instead of hey, I'm gonna start drinking and partying and doing dumb crap, like he was like, I'm gonna start running six miles every morning, pretty much, you know.
SPEAKER_03That was a super relatable part of the story. You pulled it out of him well early, and I think he'll grab us all early. And I just feel like he's burst onto the scene, and he's in this awesome honeymoon, is not a good way to think about it, but he just comes to it with such enthusiasm and energy, and he's so positive, and it's no nonsense. I love that about it, man.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, dude, and he, I mean, just whenever you talk about bursting onto the scene, not only did he like jump into the scene and like oh, I'm gonna go run a 50k, he was like, I'm gonna go be competitive in a 5k, a half marathon, a marathon, a 50k. You know, I mean, it's it's it's honestly super cool to see, and I think that's probably something that's like kept him here, you know what I mean? Because especially after a few years, you could you could see somebody starting to slow. He he got in a relationship, got married, remarried, and and like he was like, No, I'm I'm I'm sticking to it. Like, cause I can tell you right now, being married it it's made it a lot easier sometimes to sleep in on a Saturday compared to waking up at 2 a.m. and my man is still getting it, you know.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, he's got all the excuses if he wants them, um, and he still finds a way. I love how his arc steps through from his origin story to a chunk, uh, uh, uh, a clear timeline, a clear it's just fun. I I I love arcs like that, and you've you learn a lot about his, and then you also are left with like, man, this guy's just scratching the surface. Like he, you know, I just that's how I feel. Like, he is just scratching the surface.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, he definitely is. Um I I this is gonna be a great one for the audience to listen to. I think uh everybody should be super excited about this. I do want to mention while we're talking about you know, just races and other stuff, I I'd kind of like to mention we had uh Chris Like keeping up keeping Zach and I up to date with Ethan, who just completed, was it 74, 75 miles?
SPEAKER_0375 miles and 15,000 feet of climbing.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, so Ethan, whenever he came on earlier last year, at the end of last year, he was talking about I remind me the name of the race.
SPEAKER_03I want to say it's like the Georgia's Georgia's death race.
SPEAKER_05Yep, that's what I thought. Like the death march or the death race. It's 75 miles, and then just what Zach said on elevation. I mean, unbelievable race. Dude looked like he was in good spirits crossing the finish line whenever I saw Chris's video. So that's awesome. He did a phenomenal job. We're super proud of him. Also, Bethany, uh Madsen over here killing this Georgia hundred miler after she just finished. Um, I'm over here complaining about running a 50 miler just two weeks ago, and here Bethany is recovering from a hundred miler and still going out, smashing a course record. And Zach, tell us a little bit about this course record because you were telling Jamie and I post uh post-podcast. Tell us a little bit about it because it's it's honestly impressive.
SPEAKER_03How many weeks are we removed from Mississippi 100? Not that many, right? Like it would make sense if you would run a 5k every few weeks. So Bethany crushed not only did she crush the course record at Mississippi 100, here we are, March 28th, the date of this bootlegger 100 trail race. Not only does she win it overall, not only a second place two hours behind her, but she best the overall course record by over an hour. Our guest and audience will know Jeff Browning. He was the previous course record holder from last year's edition, running the race in 17 hours and 22 minutes. Jeff has run, he's known in the Ultra community for oh, 161 races on his ultra sign up. He's done it all. Bethany just beat his time from last year by an hour in four minutes, it looks like. So, shout out to the endurance state of community endurance state of mind alone just out here just like crushing stuff. We should have an ESOM like recap like this every so often with people doing cool stuff. Shout out to Ethan and Bethany, that's awesome.
SPEAKER_05Yep, absolutely. I thought that was super cool. And and just to mention, Zach, Bethany did Mississippi 100 on March 6th, so it's been 22 days and she ran another 100 miles.
SPEAKER_03Bethany's the type that tapers on the drive to the race and recovers on the way home from the race.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, she showed in, didn't she? Because that is unbelievable. I would love to have her back on the podcast so that I could hear a little bit, so I could talk to her a little bit as well. Because it's just it's mind-boggling what she's doing, dude.
SPEAKER_03Dude, I would love I missed you having you on. I would love to hear you put some questions to her. We've got to have her back on.
SPEAKER_05Yep, I I absolutely think so as well. Um, all right. Well, guys, everybody, guys and gals listening. We appreciate y'all for listening. Enjoy Jamie's episode, and uh, we will see you soon.
SPEAKER_03Welcome back to Endurance State of Mind. Today's episode is all about something every runner talks about, but not everyone actually lives out. Consistency when it's inconvenient. Our next guest has built a reputation in the community for getting the work in no matter what it takes. Early mornings, late nights, and yes, even 2 a.m. wake ups to make sure the miles happen. He might correct me on that as we get into the interview. They might be earlier than that, actually. So when life gets busy, most people look for reasons to skip. He's found ways to adapt. Today we're diving into time management, discipline, and the kind of resiliency that goes beyond training plans, the kind that shows up when things don't go your way. Because at the end of the day, endurance isn't just about how far you can run, it's about how consistently you can keep showing up. So without further ado, please welcome our next guest to the pod, Jamie Stevenson. Jamie, welcome, man. How are you doing?
SPEAKER_02Man, I am doing great, guys. Thank y'all so much. That was uh I know everybody gets such an awesome intro, man, and that was just that was on point, Zach. Good job, man. I appreciate that.
SPEAKER_03Thank you, brother. You've got this enigma. I've had many people ask me about how does this man do it? Does he ever sleep? And I would love to unpack the logistics of that with you in this episode. It's admirable. One guy, friend of the show, he sent me and Anthony a message. This is funny. He's like, is he just this type of Goggins guy that has no reason to get up at that time and just does it to be hard? Or does he like have a like job that affords it, uh has to get a work around? I'm like, maybe it's a mixture of the two, but we're gonna find out, man. That's pretty cool.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I would say uh it's definitely a mixture of the of two of them, man. Um, my job, I gotta be there at 6 a.m. I got like a 45-minute commute, so uh I try to get up early and knock it out. But on the weekends when I'm like free for the day, I still get up and just try to do it. So man, that is.
SPEAKER_05I love it. That's honestly impressive. I'm I I want to talk about it a little bit more too, but first off, let's let's start with this, Jamie. What why don't you tell us about yourself? Tell us a little bit of your background and how you kind of got into the endurance world.
SPEAKER_02Well, I'm Jamie Stevenson, uh, 34 years old, from Louisdale, uh actually born in Harrisburg. So uh yeah, kind of a local guy there. Uh raised up in uh raised up in Neely, Mississippi for most of my childhood, migrated to Lisdale. Um but yeah, um play football in high school, not much of an endurance athlete, really. Um life goes on, right? Uh get married kind of early age, 23, and um go through a divorce, kind of a rough patch, and that's kind of what kicked off my endurance journey to say. Um started running as an outlet, and uh it became just like a great hobby, man. Uh kind of loved it ever since.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. What um it's funny you say that because I I that that kind of feels like um I I feel like a lot of people have done something very similar to what you've done. You you you went through some kind of hard patch and then hit a essentially hit a wall and running just ended up being that outlet for you, other than like a drinking or something social that probably would have been a lot easier than what you were doing waking up at 2 15 in the morning to go on a 10-mile run. Oh that that being said, what uh did you just like find yourself in those runs whenever you first started, or how did that work out? You just like got on one day said I'm gonna go for a walk, one day said I'm going for 10 miles. Like break that down a little bit for me.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, man. I mean, so like I said, going through a divorce was a rough time, and I remember going home and just getting on the treadmill, and what I would do is uh I would cover up the monitor with like a sweat towel and I would just run to music. Wouldn't even look at the display, right? And like every song, um after every song, man, I will kind of glance at it, but uh mostly just running to music, and after after you know, you're doing like three or four miles. So that's what kind of kick started off my my journey there. Uh next thing I know, I'm like outside running miles. Uh finally get to six miles, run six mile runs, man, and it was just exciting, you know. I was like, man, this is like the most I've ever done, you know. I was a little bit of a bigger fella. Uh I was about 212 when I started all of this, and then I dropped down to about 170. So, you know, I'm five foot six, so two twelve. You can imagine what I kind of look like, you know. But uh but yeah, it uh it definitely was an outlet, and uh I haven't looked back, man. Like I've I've loved it ever since. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05I definitely I definitely use that as an outlet as well whenever I was going through some stuff where I was just like uh it was honestly like one of those things where I felt like it was the only time my mind was actually clear. You know? Right. Um so whenever you first started running, you obviously you kind of get into it. You get your you you're getting these endorphins from like the runs and stuff like that. What what got you into? I'm assuming at some point you were like, all right, I'm gonna try this race thing out and see what a see what like a 5k, maybe a half marathon or a marathon went.
SPEAKER_03Looks like I'm gonna hop in there too with the details. I didn't I didn't know that was that's a significant weight loss. So did your mindset evolve to pick up on Anthony's question, not to interrupt. Sorry, Anthony, that was a great question. I wanted to go a little deeper into it because I imagine when you started out at 212 or whatever, it might have been different than you saw yourself cutting weight. No, six miles. Did it change throughout that process?
SPEAKER_02I think it did. Um I noticed uh like I was getting a little bit faster and like just achieving PRs, and uh I had a co-worker, this was probably back in like 2022, maybe. It's kind of when all this was going on. And uh he said, uh man, if you can run a 5K under 20 minutes, I'll give you $20. And uh, all right, well, I said I said there's there's an Eagles 5K coming up, you know, and I work right here in Pastigula by the way. Um I said, yeah, yeah, I'm I'm gonna try. In my mind, I was like, that's a 626 per uh mile average, you know, per mile. And I was like, I think I can do that. So I gave it a shot, ended up getting a sub-20, and I made 20 bucks off of it. So since then, I was like, okay, so you know, it just it just wanted me to get faster and just see what I was capable of, man. At that time, I was like, there's uh really no cap here. I could just keep pushing the limit.
SPEAKER_05So yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. So then you you you obviously run a sub-25k, which I will say, Jamie, to just like start off and start running in three months or four months after you start running to do that is pretty impressive. Um that being said, you you start running the 5k. I'm I'm sure you're probably freaking hooked at this point, especially because you if you did not win that 5k, you were probably pretty close to it. Um I want to say I got third. I got third in that one. Yeah, yeah. So you're you're like all out hooked. You're first first race, you're getting top three, and you're like, alright, it's time to it's time to put the shoes on and let's get to work. What did uh what did it look like after that?
SPEAKER_02You were like, alright, I'm gonna go for a marathon, or yeah, so I think after that I just started doing uh 10K's. Um I think at the end of 22, I did my first half marathon, which was uh Stennis half marathon. And um that was the longest distance for me at that point, was like 13 miles. And I once again I was like, okay, I'm getting a high, man. This is awesome. I'm increasing mileage. I love this. I think I got third or fourth overall in that race, like a 128 half marathon time. And uh I want to say uh it wasn't until the end of 23 when I did my first like full marathon.
SPEAKER_05So yeah, I I know you talk about it in your uh in your in your actual bio about your full marathon. Tell me tell me a little bit about your about your first full marathon. You did Gulf Coast down in down here in like Gulfport area, which was probably like an hour and 20 minute drive for you from the house. And then um it looks like you you you had a little bit of suffering. So just walk through, I guess, whole race, lead up, your your workouts beforehand, all of it.
SPEAKER_02Well, I'll I'll back it up a little bit. So after my divorce, I did move to Ocean Springs. Uh I was down there for about a year and a half. So at that time I was actually in Ocean Springs, so it wasn't a far drive to uh Biloxi. But uh but anyways, uh I would always train on the bridge. That was kind of like my go-to. Um I would do like 10-mile runs. Um well, probably eight to ten mile runs every day after work in the middle of the heat. I mean, summertime. You can just imagine what it felt like just cooking. But uh, that was kind of how I trained for that race. But once again, I didn't really get over like that 20-mile range in my long runs. And so started this race off, man. I was kind of feeling a little confident, but first marathon, you never know until you try. And uh, of course, the mile 18 just smacked me right in the face, man, and I had to like walk around the rest of that race. And uh, at that point I was in the pain cave and I really wanted to quit, but uh someone just kept telling me to push through, man. You're capable of this, just just get to that finish line, and that's what I did.
SPEAKER_05So dude, you uh going out and you talk about the Ocean Springs Bridge. I can't believe you're sitting out there in the middle of summer running that running that. Oh yeah, man. Crazy.
SPEAKER_02I was a crazy guy.
SPEAKER_05I will I will say that is the worst thing in the world to me. I mean, Zach, Zach, I talk about it all the time. I will never do a race over that bridge because it just it doesn't seem it doesn't seem nice, but uh I that's probably what probably what helped you get as fast as you did real quick, I would assume. Because uh it it will I mean what that what is I think Pine Belt Pacers put it up today about uh hill repeats or just uh speed workouts. Uh like would they say that? Do you remember what they said?
SPEAKER_03I got distracted by something else that was shared on Pine Belt Pacers today. I left. I showed my wife. I didn't see that one though.
SPEAKER_05Oh yeah, it was basically just talking about how hill repeats were just like uh essentially they look they look tough, but they're basically just speed workouts, you know. Anyway, um I gotta phone before we leave the bridge.
SPEAKER_03Jamie, what's harder running that bridge in the middle of the summer or live oak ultra 30 mile winds feeling like you're going through a tackle tunnel?
SPEAKER_02I think I would rather run in the middle of the summertime, man. Those winds, dude, were they were killer, dude. They were killer.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, they were. Oh man. Exactly.
SPEAKER_02That was a crazy race, man.
SPEAKER_03Thought we were gonna get blown over the side of it there for a second, man.
SPEAKER_05Dude. I I I did not envy y'all on that day, I'll tell you that. As I was running over that bridge and my truck, my 2500 truck was going across the road, you know, because the wind was so bad, I was like, man, I don't wish I was on that bridge right now, that's for sure.
SPEAKER_02Me and Zach were trying to find any way to block the wind, and there was just nothing, man. Just nothing at all.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Yeah, it looked brutal. I mean, I know it was brutal. I I watched I watched y'all do it. Y'all y'all got lucky on a little bit of that whenever the wind's to your back, but then you run back to the back to the core or back to the start-finish line, and you're like on the front beach and east beach, and it's just wind in your face. I know that was brutal too. Um anyway, so Gulf Coast Marathon, you're running it for the first time. Do you have any clue what nutrition looks like during this time? Are you just like 18 miles? I'm winging it. I ain't even, I'll drink some cups of water or some crap like that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think I had like some goo gels, and I think, man, I think I passed up like the first four or five water stations. It was like, I'm good. I'm good. And it came back around, man. It like I said, uh, all that caught up with me, and I was regretting every bit of it. Uh, but yeah, zero idea on nutrition. So I think I've uh evolved a little bit since then. I'm still learning, man, but that day right there, none. Zero.
SPEAKER_05Dude, I I think we're always in a learning phase. It's funny because you're talking about that, and I'm thinking, there was one time where I ran, it was like the second time I ran the Hattiesburg half, and I had a buddy that was like, Should I bring a water pack? And I was like, No, I don't even I ain't never drank water for 13 miles of my life. Like, I'd I'll run 13, I ain't drinking no water. Yeah. Now I'd be like, if I if he asked me that today, I'd be like, Yeah, bring a water pack, you know. Like if you think you need it, bring it.
SPEAKER_03Oh I told my wife today, I'm like, I finally feel like I got my nutrition somewhat figured out, but then the price on everything's going up. It kind of makes me want to like retry some other stuff, see if there's a more cost-affordable way to do it. It's crazy.
SPEAKER_05Oh, yeah, for sure. It's brutal. All right. So you uh you obviously you push the limits on this on this first marathon you ever did. Mentally, it seems like you basically told yourself, like, all right, I did this, I pushed through mile, I pushed through the pushed through the wall at mile 18. I can freaking do whatever, whenever. What like what did you just kind of become an animal at that point where you were like, I'm gonna see if I can push every limit distance-wise, or were you like, I'm gonna hover in the marathon? Like, what got you into this ultra scene that you've been doing recently?
SPEAKER_02Man, I really didn't know I could even like accomplish 50k, honestly. Um so that was the end of 23 for Gough Coast Marathon. That was my first one. So the next year, I think I just done a bunch of a bunch of like smaller races, 10Ks and 5Ks, and then you know, Gov Coast rolls back around again. And uh I gave it another shot. That was my second uh marathon. Um ended up getting a way better time than like 306. Still trying to get that sub three hour time, you know. Uh I think I finished like ninth overall. So at that point, I was like, man, I'm top 10 in a marathon. That's that's pretty good, you know? Uh next month after that in 25. Uh 25 was kind of like a year of uh just growth for me overall, man. I've I've done a lot in 2025. Uh I did the mobile marathon to kick off 25. Uh I got a sub-3 there. Wasn't a Boston qualifier because at that time I was in that 18 to 34 range, right? So it was a sub-255. Ended up getting 257, but it was sub-3, and I was way happy with that. So uh and then uh saw a post come on Facebook and it was talking about an ultra racer in Biloxi, and I was like, okay, this might be uh a good time for me to like you know step off into that. And it was Jackson Wolfe's Live Oak Ultra, you know, the inaugural one. I was like, okay. I said, I don't know anything about 50Ks, but this is like an urban ultra. I'm gonna give it a shot. I'm used to running on the streets. Let me let me see what I can do. Uh had no idea that I was gonna go and like win the thing and get like a sub four hour 50k, you know. Uh once again, I just surprised myself and just felt really good. Now, granted, there wasn't 20 mile per hour winds, you know, that race, that year, last year, but uh very, very well pleased with myself after that race there. So that's kind of like my uh stepping into the ultra world was that race there.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah. You um so you obviously you go and do the the 50k. You I I actually remember you finishing that one, and it was it was pretty impressive whenever you're looking at the very first one because you really don't know what you're what you're looking at essentially from from it and maybe the two of y'all can do a better job of explaining the Jackson Wolf it with it being that urban ultra, like none of the streets are blocked off, traffic is still like there's no cops at intersections. Like if you see a car and they're not paying attention, you gotta stop, type of thing. It's not uh, hey, this cop's gonna stop this car for me, you know. Um but I thought that they did, I thought he did a great job with the with the race course overall, and then on top of that, it probably helped you because you were uh uh ocean springs native almost at the point where you probably ran every one of those streets at some point before, correct?
SPEAKER_02That is correct, and uh, you know, being down there I also just kind of mapped out the route that he has set up so I wouldn't, you know, be lost. I know a lot of people probably downloaded the the file to their watch, but uh I was you know what I'll just go the night before, just scope it out. So that's what I did, and I'm glad I did because there was nobody to follow. So I was out there just getting it, and uh, but yeah, uh being familiar did help out with that race.
SPEAKER_05Did you um did you kind of learn a little bit more about nutrition in between your first marathon and that 50k? Or are you were you still kind of trying to figure it out?
SPEAKER_02I I would say I learned more. Um man, I think what gets me is my training runs, anything like under 15, I just go out there and do it. No water, no gels. Uh, and I honestly feel great, you know. That's just for me. Uh everybody's different, right? But uh that race there, I mean, Jackson did have uh eight stations throughout, so I was able to get something, right? Extra goos or some honey stingers or something. And uh that helped out. So I would say my nutrition did uh pick up some after uh the first marathon, learning how to navigate that.
SPEAKER_05Gotcha.
SPEAKER_03That first 50k result, Jamie, it looked like you just crushed it. Um did that so and what I'm gathering from you, you you seem to be on this fun, like curiosity like heater. And to many people, when they saw that 50k live vocal, like, man, who's this guy? This is awesome, you know? So but but I feel like all of us, uh maybe I'm shouldn't broad brush it, but myself included, like we go through this period with running where there's just this with surprise or something. I wrote down yours, it's awesome. It's like divorce, weight loss, bet, top three. These like little curiosity pieces that tug us along, and you keep showing up and crushing it. I have this sense like you're nowhere near done finding anywhere close to your ceiling or limit. Do you have that like giddiness about running still?
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah, I do. I love it, man. Uh I appreciate you saying that, Zach. Uh I I still think I still think there's uh a lot to accomplish, man, and just more more limits to reach. And uh I just can't wait to see where it all goes, man. But yeah, um still got that giddiness, still love it, still just just want to chase it, man, and just keep growing.
SPEAKER_03So I love it.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I I do too. I think you've it it it's fun to see somebody that's like so excited to come into the to this, and then on top of that, Jamie, you're also just like killing it realistically. Like we we have people that are reaching out to us talking about races and races you've done that we've been a part of, like um Run the River recently. That well, I guess I say recently it was back in November. Whenever you won Run the River, we were talking we had a few people reaching out to us talking talking about that one. We also, it's like Zach mentioned, we've had multiple people talk about you running at 2 a.m. It's just like one of those things where it's like yeah, it's people people notice, you know what I mean, and it's almost like an excitement you bring to them because they're like, all right, Jamie's doing something. I I need to be doing it, you know. You're you're making people better, like you're making yourself better type of thing. Um, so I think that I truthfully I think that's awesome. I'm actually trying to I wanted to see I'd be curious to see what the difference in your I was trying to pull it up on Striva, but I couldn't go back that far. Your first live oak ultra and what your run splits look like, and then your last, your previous live oak ultra and what run splits look like. I'm gonna see if I can find it at some point in this episode because I just want to see like if we can tell what you've learned in a year. You know what I mean? Like, because I'm sure you've you've learned so much about your body in that year that you like you probably don't even understand. And I bet honestly, we could probably look at the data and and tell what it was, but I was just curious what it looked like. Do you um we were we've talked to a few people about like staying slow and staying steady whenever it comes to running these ultras. Have you found that to be like a a habit that you've tried to do to stay consistent throughout the entire 30 or throughout the entire 50k? Or are you just like, I'm going all out, I'm gonna push the body, and once it starts failing, it's gonna start failing?
SPEAKER_02I think so. With live oak the first year, man, um you know, a five 50k is like five more miles in a marathon. So I was like, you know what, if I can do like, you know, 650 paces, 640s, I could probably get around seven flat, right, for another additional five miles, keep that average pace. Uh so I I don't think I I'm going all out, but I do like to find that's that good pace, that goal set pace, right, to begin with, that uh I believe I can achieve all the way out. I think comparing between the two uh last year, I think I did PR, but wasn't by much. And I can blame the wind and all that and nutrition, but you know, I think there's just good days and bad days as well. Me and Zach had a good first, what, 19 miles maybe. And then uh I just slowed down, man. I was like, he go ahead, Zach. Take it off.
SPEAKER_03No, I wasn't gonna say anything. I feel like we were rolling like a Saturday train to run together for 19 miles. That was awesome having you there.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Yeah, I'm looking at it though, Jamie. You're talking about like the it you you obviously did PR, and we would we can say like the win at that during that run probably made that run a lot harder than previous year. However, if you look at I like I'm looking at your your paces and your like what you're doing, what you're clipping. Mile 28, you're running a 652. Like from 28 to 31, you're sitting here in like low 650, low six minute, 50 second mile. You know what I mean? Like you held enough in the tank to really like push yourself right there towards the end of the last, let's say five miles, four miles. So I think that's awesome. I'd love to see though if it looked the same on the previous year, because I guarantee I almost guarantee you it's gonna be like you started off really hot first, let's say 20 miles, and then the back half you is when you slowed down. But I'd just be I was just curious what you thought.
SPEAKER_02Um I will say real quick on that race uh that me and Zach did the last live oak. Uh the first two miles, my Garmin was not synced up, and I had no idea it was running like 620s. I was trying to like get into a 650 or so, and then my watch was just showing a little bit higher pace. So Zach probably knew what we was running the whole time. And then like after mile two, it synced up, and I was like, holy crap. You know, we're rolling.
SPEAKER_03So I don't know if you remember afterwards or some gaming shit with that. I remember you running that clip. My my watch was going good the whole time. I was like, this is hot, but I'm not gonna let them go this soon in the race. I'm just gonna see how this plays out. And like you said, lo and behold, your watch sunk up, and then we kind of settled into something more reasonable. And that kind of mapped on to when the with the when we hit that bridge too. So I think we naturally just kind of like, we ain't gonna run this in this wind like this the whole time. So yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02I mean, that's one thing about races, man, elements. You can never you can never like guess them. They're just gonna happen, right? Just gotta be prepared and deal with it.
SPEAKER_05So yeah, dude, as as much as Zach runs Jamie, and and as much as he's ran for like the past five years, he knows he knows his 620s and his 650s. Uh he doesn't have to live as much, dude. Yeah. Oh. Alright, so you did live oak ultra in 2025. And then did you have you kind of you obviously have um still done a few marathons, but have you like more dipped your toe back into the ultra scene, or are you kind of like a marathon guy? What what what are you which way are you leaning?
SPEAKER_02Man, since I've already so 225 keys going on, you know. I do meet Zach for the first time at Moulton that year. Uh had no idea who he was or Josh Moore until that race. And uh I was like, after that race, I was like, okay, these guys are fast. I thought I was fast, but these guys are fast. But um after that, I remember hearing Zach talk about 100 Mile Weeks. I talked to him briefly at that race, and uh I was like, man, this dude is just crazy. 100 Mile Weeks, this is like phenomenal. I'm I'm I'm trying to like reach that, you know. And uh talking about trail runs and stuff, but uh as 2025 goes on, man, yeah, I I I got into more trail runs, more 50Ks, and uh I think I'm leaning more towards that right now.
SPEAKER_05So yeah. You're I think you're you're probably finding it to be a little bit more fun. It it it's not only a race that challenges and correct me if you think I'm wrong, it's not only a race that challenges like just you being in competition with other people, but it challenges you mentally and physically every time you go out there, I think.
SPEAKER_02I totally agree with you 100%. And uh the the the ultra community is just awesome, man. So I love those guys. Every time I go to one, it's just it's good company, man, and uh just great events all around.
SPEAKER_05Yep, absolutely. So you um dude, what'd you think about what I'm looking at your uh ultra sign up? What'd you think about Big Butts this year or last year?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so that was like my first trail run ever. Um I will say at the end of 24, I was in Virginia for a while for work, and I and I did train up there some on some trails because I was up there for like six weeks, and I found two like trail parks, and uh I did get a little little exposure to that, just running like 10 miles on those trails. But uh Big Butts was no joke, man. Like the heat. I I know y'all talked about it, right? Just the humidity in the woods, just like no air. And it was uh it was an experience for sure, man. And I did get first overall. Uh I remember finishing it and I was like, they're like, Oh, you got first? And I was like, there's no way. There's a guy here still running that's ahead of me. And I Peter, right? Peter Kaziri. And I had no idea the dude was running, the dude was running 100k. And he was ahead of me, and I did the 50k. I was like, oh my gosh. But uh, but yeah, it was an experience, man, and uh, I enjoyed it though. Enjoyed the suffering for sure.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, that was uh that's that's one of those that was just different. I I was curious if that like made you question 50k after that point because it looks like that might have been your second 50k, and that was dude, that one was brutal in my opinion.
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah. Um I remember changing my shoes out at that race, and uh my wife now, Victoria, uh, which is my rock and my constant reminder to keep doing hard stuff, she pushes me, wouldn't be here without her. But uh I got down and changed my shoes, and she was like, Do you need anything? And I was just so like annoyed. I was like, No, no, no, no, just give me these shoes on. I gotta go. Somebody just passed me up. And uh, I was just getting like irritable. She was I had to text her after like that scene, and I was like, baby, I love you. I'm so sorry. I'm just I don't want to like you know lose a lot of time by changing shoes out, but uh, but yeah, so it was a good race, man. That's awesome, dude.
SPEAKER_05Well, talk to us about uh we gotta we got a little bit more time here, and I would be remiss if we didn't talk about it because I we've had a few, like we said, we've had a few people talk about it or ask us about it. These 2 a.m. workouts, what's the deal, dude? Are you just like I gotta get up? It doesn't matter, I'm I'm there. Well walk us through it.
SPEAKER_02Man, so uh to me I feel like it just fits my schedule. Um I typically work about six o'clock to you know whenever, three or four o'clock. It varies on whatever is going on at work. And uh in my mind, I'm like, if I get up and just get it over with, the the hard part's done, right? Uh so I'll I'll actually hit the gym at like 2 a.m. and I'll lift weights, and then I'll do that for like 45 minutes to an hour, and then I'll start my run. And you know, I actually look up to Zach at this. I was like, you know, if he's running 10 miles a day, maybe I can try that too. And sometimes I do like half marathons in the morning, just however I feel and whatever time I have. So um I think it's been a while since I ran on fresh legs, I'll tell you that. But uh I think getting used to running on sore legs is going to help me long uh in the long run with these like fondring runs, maybe hundred-mile runs later on. So uh but yeah, I I know it's a little crazy seeing that 2 a.m., 3 a.m. on Strava, but uh it can be done. If it's important to you, you'll make it happen, man.
SPEAKER_05So uh what time what time are you going to bed to wake up at 2.24 in the morning to do what?
SPEAKER_02I love my wife because we're like old souls. We'll we'll we'll both be in the bed by like eight o'clock.
SPEAKER_05Okay.
SPEAKER_02So 1.45 rolls around. Don't get me wrong, now I I love to just keep them eye closed, but uh I roll out of bed, man, and then uh I just go get as soon as my feet hit the floor, it it's I'm good to go.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I love that so much, man. Um that's you sound like one of those guys that can get away with lower end on the lower end of sleep. Like we've had silly questions like, does he sleep at all? So that kind of paints the picture. I think setting setting that um preparation the day before is how I do it too. I'm not quite operating off of five hours, Jamie. I'm sleeping a little longer than that. Don't get me wrong, I'm not up at two. But that's I think that's that's right. You know, you have to you have to prepare for that the night before. Let me ask you a question. This one kind of gets philosophical a little or a little deeper, but what separates the people who intend to be consistent from those who actually are, in your opinion?
SPEAKER_02That's a good question. Um I just think just you gotta be dedicated, man. Um like I said, if it's important to you, you'll make it happen. Um system is gonna pay off in the long run. I think hard work works and it shows. Uh once you'll get done with like all these like nice races and you you podium, man. It's like, okay, those receipts paid off, you know.
SPEAKER_03So I love that. I absolutely love that. I love it for all the reasons that you said, too. I have that I have almost that burden of not getting it in before work. So many things can happen after work, and you just don't feel like getting it done. It's like kind of eating the frog before work comes along, getting it out the way. Yeah, I love that approach.
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SPEAKER_02Now don't get me wrong. There might be days where I don't get up, but um, I'll still try to make it happen in the evenings if I got time.
SPEAKER_05So Bruh, you you killing it, dude. This this uh these 330, 315s, twos, and it's just it's unbelievable. I mean, it's go ahead.
SPEAKER_02No, I'm just saying there's not a lot of people with that night run label, you know, before 4 a.m.
SPEAKER_05I know.
SPEAKER_02I saw it for the first time. I was like, people gonna think I'm crazy, man. Night run, but it's really just my early morning, you know.
SPEAKER_05But yeah, night, night weight training at 2.24 in the morning. It's actually I just woke up.
SPEAKER_03Dude, I love it. You think about it when race days come for Jamie. He's like, man, I get to sleep in a little bit today. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Dude's like fully rested. He shows up to Mississippi 50, and everybody's like, man, this this hour earlier start sucks. Jamie's like, I'm four hours late, boys. Yeah, yeah. I love it. That's awesome, dude. Um, well, dude, tell us about what what you got coming up um in between now and uh next, let's say your next race. What's your next race?
SPEAKER_02So next race will be Fondering. Um that's already you know signed up for. I signed up for 2026 Gulf Coast Marathon. That's really all that I have. Now there may be something in between those two races that I'll sign up for later on, just uh undecided yet. And the plan is to also do Boston 2027. Um so nice.
SPEAKER_05Yep. Okay. You uh you a long, easy run type of guy or sprints?
SPEAKER_02Man, I don't know what if I know what an easy run is. Uh I mean, most of my runs I try to keep like under an eight out eight minute average pace. So however you want to take that, if that's easy or a sprint, I think it varies on each person. Um I don't even know. I mean, I try to do like 12 miles a day, 13 miles a day. So even on the weekends, I don't know if I actually get that long run, you know, like a 20 miler anymore. But uh I think I probably will once I start like training for Boston or something later on.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah. You're doing a lot of, it looks like you're doing a lot of I mean, even even under even under eight minutes, you're looks like you're doing a lot of zone two running. Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah. Zach, you got any questions for me?
SPEAKER_03I'm so excited for your first experience at Fondren, Jamie, for you. Vicariously excited for you. Uh I've I've spoken on this podcast before. No, now now that I'm thinking about it, I was a lot like you when I first ran Boston of I was dabbling in nude distances. I was still like super excited. I'm still super excited, by the way, going to Fondron. I love that race.
SPEAKER_04But that's good to hear that.
SPEAKER_03But like uh I'll give you something. I think at that moment in time I had only ran I'd say only, I'd run my longest distance was like 50 miles, and you mentioned in your show notes that you got up to four. So very similar there, marathon, dabbling in ultras. And the course and the atmosphere and the ultra community out there just lends itself to just encouraging you to seek new limits out there and seeing your training and knowing your mindset. I'm just excited for how you're gonna push yourself on that day. And you know, like you've seen the field, it'll be competitive if you want it to be competitive. It's I'm excited for it, man. You're gonna have I'm excited to see your take on that, and then speak to you afterwards and what light bulbs do or don't go off about your future. You know, you mentioned having a couple things on the calendar. You might be looking at different things after Fondring, you know.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Uh I'm excited, man. Uh I've heard good things about the race, and like you said, man, I've seen the sign-up list. It looks like a bunch of good competitors, a couple of guys I've had on the show already. Uh I think Bethany's doing it right. She just like set the course record at the Mississippi 100. So, yeah, it's very exciting, man. Uh, I do just want to push myself and not really going in with the mindset of like podium or anything. I just want to push myself and give it all I all I have. So let's see what happens.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I think, dude, you're gonna you're gonna love that course, and uh it it's definitely it's a fun one. And uh it'll be I think it's got like the biggest field of people and probably in a while, but it's it's gonna be fun to see all y'all, all y'all going after it.
SPEAKER_02I'm excited for it, man. I can't wait.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Yeah. Zach, you got you got anything else for our man?
SPEAKER_03I'm still just curious about I don't feel like I've asked enough questions as it relates to the 2 a.m. waking up for our audience. I feel like I should I should ask some more follow ons there. Um so is that is your job Monday through Friday, Jamie? And is that typical like round the clock? It's like eight ish in bed, up around two ish, not always, but generically. Speaking, work off early afternoon, either a double or kind of spend some time with your wife, and then rinse and repeat. Is that kind of the schedule?
SPEAKER_02So, yeah, so my wife, she's a uh just a little background on her real quick. She's a school teacher, and she also teaches uh dance in the evenings, like three, four days a week. It varies. So, I mean, if I go ahead and knock out a run first thing in the morning, and she's got dance that evening, and then I'm like, okay, well, I got a little extra time to maybe get a double in, you know. Um and then, you know, when the the evening she's she has off, I'll I'll spend time with her and we'll relax and you know do our thing. So spend our evening together. Um but yeah, I would say it's around the clock, man. Uh I just like to get up and just get it over with and get on with my day, so yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_05Do you um whenever you go out and run, are you running like a normal normal loot that you're used to, or you just pick pick weird places all the time, like different places all the time. I'm just curious.
SPEAKER_02So my go-to spot is there's a track like at the middle school, and it's well lit because 3 a.m. it's dark. So I'll usually start there and then use around like four or four thirty, I'll I'll go off into town, which is I I got some pretty well-lit streets that I run on. And uh by that time, you know, the community's a little bit up, and you know, I'm not that crazy guy just running the streets at three. So four o'clock seems like a little bit more reasonable time to go run, you know. Um local PD, they they they see me time to time, and I think they know me by now. So uh but yeah, that's pretty cool, man, that uh it speaks to people like that because you can get it done, man. I mean, no matter what time of day, like I said, if it's important to you, and then you want to achieve it, you'll get it done.
SPEAKER_05Dude, it's it's funny to think about what probably the local PD was thinking for like the first six months they saw you running at like 3.20 in the morning, you know. They're like, should we should we stop this guy? Like, did he rob somebody? Or is he just you know what I mean? Like there probably was some thoughts like that. I would love to hear what one of those cops said.
SPEAKER_02My wife got me like this little uh this little light belt clip. So I'll put on like my shorts and my belt, and every time I see those guys, I'll like turn it on just to let them know, okay, well maybe he is uh somebody running or something like that. But uh yeah, I didn't really start all this until I got married, by the way, like last year, uh May of 25. So once I got married and moved to Loosdale, I had to like just you know reconstruct you know this this new uh schedule for running and training, so this this is what it just uh tended to be.
SPEAKER_05So I gotcha. So whenever you were in Ocean Springs, you weren't you weren't waking up at 3 30 in the morning, you were you were sleeping in a little bit more.
SPEAKER_02No, yeah, I was definitely uh I I would hit the gym, but my runs would be in the evening time for sure. Because I was just closer to home, so yeah. At that point.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_05We see we're over here thinking you just Goggins mentality out. You know, it's it's I'm I'm getting it when I get it, type of thing. Go ahead, Zach.
SPEAKER_03Wood um, I met your dad. We got a shout out to the pops. I love your dad. He reminds me a lot of mine and my dad's relationship. He seems like your biggest fan. This man will attend I feel like as many races as he can. It's really cool. I met him at Molt Mohawk and Live O Live Oak. Quite frankly, any race I've seen you at, he's been there. That's really cool. Are there anybody in your in your family that is like Jamie, that that associate you with posting stuff on social media and just can't wrap their arms around it? Like, and and what's an experience or two you want to share from that end? Because it's got to be kind of funny to them.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so shout out to my dad. He he does love coming to the races, and uh I I try to get him out to the to most of them, right? As many as I can. But uh, for instance, my sister though, she's just like, you know, you're just crazy, you know. I don't see how you do it. She's like, I talked to you about, she talks to me about uh racing and stuff to our coworkers, and um she's just just surprised that I just do these crazy hour runs, and a lot of people can't just comprehend it, right, until you do it. But yeah, I'm the crazy one in the family for sure.
SPEAKER_03I can't wait till your fondring post. I think you're gonna have a lot of them asking a lot of serious serious questions.
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah. What are you doing for 12 hours? I can't even stand driving for 12 hours and you're running for 12 hours, you know. Dude, oh yeah.
SPEAKER_05I love those comments. They're like, if I ever ran 50 miles, it would be for seven days straight or something like that. It'd take me seven days, that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_03Oh I got a couple rapid fires for you, Jamie. For someone's for someone struggling to s to stay consistent, what's one thing they should start doing tomorrow?
SPEAKER_02Just just start moving, man. Just start moving. Uh, don't let self-doubt creep in. Just get up as soon as you get your shoes on, man, just get out the door and just move.
SPEAKER_03I love it. How can someone with a busy schedule realistically fit in training?
SPEAKER_02Find what works for you, whether that's a treadmill, whether that's if you're running early in the mornings, find a safe, well-lit area. Um I think that would definitely benefit you to get in those miles.
SPEAKER_03What's one excuse you hear often that you just don't buy, or maybe it makes you like cringe a little bit because you know it's bullied.
SPEAKER_02I think it's I don't have the time. I think that's just the excuse, man. I don't have the time.
SPEAKER_03Do you have one habit you won't compromise on? Like it's a non-negotiable?
SPEAKER_02I would say I mean, weightlifting and running. I mean, those are just I gotta get them in, so I love it.
SPEAKER_03Alright, looking back, what are you most proud of? The miles you've run or the discipline it took to run them?
SPEAKER_02I would say the discipline, man. The discipline, for sure. Yep, I like that.
SPEAKER_03That was what I had, man. What you got, Anthony?
SPEAKER_05Dude, I I want to say I I appreciate you for coming on. You've been you've been awesome. Another thing I would like to I would love to say is that you you definitely inspire a lot of people, and I know I've already kind of said that on this podcast, but you doing these 2 a.m. runs and these 3 a.m. runs, I know like even Zach and I are joking about it, like how crazy it is. But you are inspiring people to say, like, if Jamie can go out and do a 3 a.m. run because he has to do it before work, I can't, like, I can do a 6 a.m. run.
SPEAKER_03100%.
SPEAKER_05You know what I mean? So I I would just like to say, like, you are inspiring a lot of people by doing these crazy runs. Um, not crazy runs, but just like crazy hours that you are running.
SPEAKER_02Right. Um, and you know, for for those people who are inspired, it doesn't even have to be like double digit miles, man. It can be just go out there and get five in, you know what I mean? Do whatever you can. Um it works for me, do whatever works for you, you know. But you can get it done. Uh I don't think there's like any excuse.
SPEAKER_05Absolutely. Zach, you got any last things?
SPEAKER_03Uh I I go back to just the systems one, Jamie, and I love it. What you said about when your feet hit the ground getting out of the bed, I feel I'm the same way. Like I don't have to have coffee. I like coffee, but I don't have to necessarily find a secondary source to get me going. I'm like, oh yeah, I'm up. I get to do this today. This is my time to do it, and it's the only time to do it. I'm just kind of like gone. Yep. But for the audience, are there any other like habits that you've built that remove decision making? I I I can answer one for you. It sounds like you've conditioned yourself to go in bed at somewhat of a reasonable time, but is there anything else habit-wise that reinforces feet hit the ground, I'm up?
SPEAKER_02I don't think so. I think just like you said, getting prepared the night before, uh getting getting in bed at that decent time for me, getting at least five, sometimes six hours of sleep. Uh that's that's the habits, man. That's that's what works for me. And um yeah.
SPEAKER_05Do you find that you talk about sleep? Do you find that you need five out? Like you have to have five hours, or or is like six like what you prefer? I I'm curious because I've heard Michaela's on me all the time about sleeping a little bit more, but traditionally I think like six and a half, six hours, somewhere between six, six and a half hours is good for me. Do you find five being a little too like not enough sleep?
SPEAKER_02I think it works for me. Um I think I probably catch up on the weekends for sure what what I lack getting during the week. Um, I do catch myself sometimes, you know, at work at work I'm very busy. Uh, but I do have like a desk job as well at work when I'm out not on the ship working. Um I do catch myself sometimes dozing off. I'm like, okay, I need to like get a little bit more rest, you know, tonight or something like that. Uh so I do tend to listen to my body, but uh five hours for the most part, yeah, five to six works for me.
SPEAKER_05So all right. Zach, you are you any different? I'm just curious now that we're talking about it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I'm uh a lot of the ways that Jamie just answered that too. I'll notice like I can get by on six. I'll travel some and I know like to the to the point of like a non-negotiable. If I'm gonna get the run, it's gonna happen now before I catch this flight, and that means I'm gonna get four hours of sleep. So I'll do it. But it's not a match I'll burn like in consecutive nights, and dang sure not three nights, you know, and like Jamie was alluding to catching up on the weekend. I think it's just like zooming out a little bit and how that fits into the macro, if you will, is the way I manage it. Kind of what I think the way you're answering it to, Jamie.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and I will say, you know, it's just me and the wife. Uh we don't have children, by the way. So, you know, I don't have to manage a lot of things like that. So I I am able to get up and just hit the floor and get going. Uh you know, come back before she even gets up, make her coffee, and then the day is day gets going.
SPEAKER_03So I hope people don't look at you and well, some of them probably do, and you might not, you probably won't hear it, but the ones that would say, look at him getting up, he's crazy. And um, he couldn't do that if he had kids or whatever. They're just casting their reflections of their internal doubts on themselves towards you. And um, I've got news for you. If and when you have kids or that's part of your plan one day, that that'll still work, actually. You get the kids on a good schedule, getting up early will still work.
SPEAKER_02So, yeah, we'll we'll see how that goes in the future. But uh, either way, I I tend to get it in uh no matter what what life's gonna be about.
SPEAKER_05So awesome, dude. Well, dude, we we appreciate you so much for coming on. I I look forward to seeing you at Fondron because I know that's gonna be a super fun race. You're gonna enjoy it. Hopefully it's not too hot. We'll we'll see what happens. I'm sure too about two o'clock it's gonna get a little warm, so just be ready for that. Okay, outside of that, dude, you're gonna kill it.
SPEAKER_02Man, I hope so, man. I'm looking forward to it.
SPEAKER_03Jamie, I'm excited for you too for Boston. You know what I'm excited to talking to you about this time next year, and you'll have a fondring experience under your belt. You'll probably be preparing for Boston. It got hard for me to decide which ones I wanted to do. I love both of them so much. So I'm curious to talk to you in about a year and see how that goes.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Yeah, that they're probably gonna be what, the either the same weekend or a weekend apart, I imagine. So I'm sure it's gonna be a uh a hard choice next year. Well, next year's gonna have to be Boston, right? But uh but yeah, I I'm looking forward to it, man.
SPEAKER_05Just wait till you get that Mississippi 50 under your belt, too. When you come out here and do that. Then you won't miss that either.
SPEAKER_02Uh maybe next year as well. We'll see. We'll see about that. I'll probably be the next milestone, get a 50 miler. Uh, maybe get a hundred K in then uh 100 miles. We'll see, man. The big boy miles.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. I love it, man. Well, dude, we appreciate you for coming on and what a great podcast. I'm sure the people are gonna love this. They're gonna love hearing this story. So we appreciate it.
SPEAKER_03Love what you're doing, Jamie. Keep doing what you're doing, man. You're inspiring a lot of people, us on this podcast included. We love it, man. We love having you on the podcast. So rooting for you, big time going forward. We'll see you in the what is it? All right, guys. A couple weeks now. Yeah, see you in a couple weeks, I guess. Three weeks. Yep.
SPEAKER_02Well, thank y'all guys for uh having me on. Y'all are doing great stuff in the community. Um, and uh, I think it's it's good stuff, man, all around.
SPEAKER_05Appreciate it, brother.
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